Dear Abdul Khaleq, what you wrote in this link is haq, but your decleration that ulema never hide the facts is partially correct, for, the ulema-e-deoband hide the truth that they denied and belied 33:40, the aayah of KHATMIYYAT of Rasoolullah Sallallaho A'laihi wa sallam when baani-e-madrasa in deoband Qasim Nan Tawi wrote, "AAP (YE'NI RASOOLULLAH SALLALLAHO A'LAIHI WA SALLAM) KE DAUR MAIN YAA AAPKE BA'D AGAR KOYI NABI AA BHI JAYE TOH AAPKI KHATMIYYAT MAIN FARQ NAHEEN PADEGA." As if he is saying if his eyeballs are crushed, there won't be any change in his BASARAT.' Nobody accepts this crap of Qasim Nan Tawi. KHATMIYYAT MAIN FARQ KIYOON NAHEEN PADEGA??? Ab khatmiyyat ka inkar kar ke Nan Tawi saheb toh Quran ka inkar kar bythey aor bey tawbah kafir mare, lekin UNKE CHAHNE WALE unko iss kufr ke ba'd bhi musalman hi janne wale bhi kafir mare aor marte jayenge----ke kafir ko musalman janna khud KUFR hai. Isi Tarah Ibn Abdalwahab Najadi Nuh A'laihissalam ko pehla nabi likh kar (Kashf-ash-shubhaat) unn se pehle aane wale sab anbia a'laihimussalam ko jhutla kar bey tawbah kafir mara. Ab sare salafi, wahabi, ahlehadas, najadi, kharji, maudoodi, deobandi, nadavi, parwaizy, khakhsari, ikhwani, sare bhant bhant ke ghyr muqallid sab Ibn A'bd ko musalman jaan kar apna KUFR ba raza wa raghbat mole lete hain. Inn donon ke in 2 kufriyyaat ko inke sab ulema chupate hain aor apne aapko JAHANNAM RASEED KARTE HAIN----------------------------ARE THEY RELIABLE AND TRUSTWORTHY???
From: Asan Deen <khshaikh1999@gmail.com>
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Date: Monday, October 10, 2011, 1:01 AM
Dear brothers Abdul Khaleq and Hassan Yaqub Sb., Jazakallah Khair for this nice and to the point explanation of Ahle-e-Bait, as per Quran and authentic Ahadith, by brother Abdul Khaleq. Excellent. For Hasan Yaqub I do hope that our brother Hasan will be satisfied with these clear cut Quran verses and Sahih Ahadith on the subject, so as per his own search of truth and knowledge seeking, he should accept this whole heartedly without any enmity or sect favour. I think, there is no other point in your mail to be cleared or required comments. What I explained to you regarding Shia stand about Ahle-Bait, these are the facts not enmity. Your Ans. 3: our imaan & akhida should be hole quran & sahih ahadeeth not only which we like or in our favour, if it is in others favour we will hide or not accept as doing by our ulema??? it's not imaan brother in the light of Quran & Sahih Hadith, it's denying only. Alhamdo Lillah our Eman o Aqida is as per Quran and Sahih Ahadith. Now your Ans 3: is my question to you in the same line and wording………..Waiting for your comments?? (and Allah (Subhana Wa Ta'alla knows best) Wama Elaena Illal Balaagh RegardsKhShaikh
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:07 PM, syed abdul khaleq <khaleq_hyd@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Dear Brother Hasan, Please take help with the Ulema Haq to understand below points and you can take the help of your favorite Shaik Abdul Bari sab too, we too have taken with the Ulema Haq lets find out! If you read verse 33 of Chapter 33 Surah Ahzaab, you will learn that the whole verse is directed towards the feminine gender (and specifically to the wives of the Prophet (saws)). Only the last sentence of verse 33 changes its gender; but not to masculine as you claim…. But rather to the plural; thus including both, the males and the females of the ahle-bayt! Subhan Allah! How Perfect is Allah, and how Perfect are His Revelations! Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 33 Surah Ahzaab verse 33:All in feminine gender}: (O wives of the Prophet), stay in your houses, and do not go about displaying your fineries as women used to do in the Days of Ignorance. Establish the salaat, pay the zakaat, and obey Allah and His Messenger. {Now in plural gender:} Allah only intends to remove uncleanness from you, O Ahle-Bayt, and purify you completely. Verse 34: {again feminine gender} Remember the Revelations of Allah and the wise sayings which are recited in your houses…. Please note that the verses preceding verse 33, from verse 28 onwards are all directed towards the Wives of the Prophet and are all in the feminine gender: Verse 28 starts: "O Prophet, tell your wives….. Verse 29 starts: "But if you (the wives) seek Allah and His Messenger…. Verse 30 starts: "O wives of the Prophet, whoever among you….. Verse 31 starts: "And whoever among you (the wives) obeys Allah and His Messenger…. Verse 32 starts: "O wives of the Prophet, you are not like other women….. Thus the whole topic of Revelation here is directed to the wives of the Prophet. The whole verse 33 is in feminine gender, save the last sentence, which is the plural and not masculine, as you have claimed!!! Read verse 33 in Arabic again, and see for yourselves whether these words are revealed in feminine, masculine, or plural: Karna {v. feminine} Boyootekunna {n. feminine} Tabarrajjna {v. feminine} Aqimna {v. feminine} Aatinna {v. feminine} Ate'na {v. feminine} These words are all immediately after verse 32 which you claim are masculine! The last sentence then is revealed in plural, and not masculine! Thus, the clear aayah of the Quran proves, without an iota of a doubt, that the wives of the Prophet are included in the 'ahle-bayt' of the Prophet (saws), along with his family and descendants. But for some misguided people, Hadrat Aisha, the wife of the Prophet and the mother of the believers, would just not qualify to be included in the 'ahle-bayt'; even if it is proved irrefutably from the Holy Quran!
Point 1- Surah Ahzab ayat 33 Is talking about The Prophet PBUH and His Wives and that's very clear because Allah addresses The Prophet PBUH By saying "O Prophet! Say to thy Consorts" and He addresses his wives by saying "O Consorts of the Prophet!" then after he tells the wives to please their Husband he addresses the entire family by Saying that he only wants what is best for them "And God only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye members of the Family, and to make you pure and spotless.".
Point 2 - Wives are ahlulBayt well at least in the Arabic language and for Arabs, I'd like to see an arab whose wife is not from his Household...
Here in the Quran (An Arabic book)
while talking to the wife of Ibrahim [as], angels also used the same,
Surah Hud Ayat 73 They said: Do you wonder at Allah's bidding? The mercy of Allah and His blessings are on you, O people of the house(AhluLBayt), surely He is Praised, Glorious."
But i Know that the Quran is not enough for you so...
A SAHIH Hadith which says the wives are from Ahlulbayt:
Anas said: I also saw the wedding feast of Zainab, and he (the Holy Prophet) served bread and meat to the people, and made them eat to their heart's content, and he (the Holy Prophet) sent me to call people, and as he was free (from the ceremony) he stood up and I followed him. Two persons were left and they were busy in talking and did not get out (of the apartment). He (the Holy Prophet) then proceeded towards (the apartments of) his wives. He greeted with as-Salamu 'alaikum to every one of them and said: "Members of the household(AhluLbayt), how are you?" They said: Messenger of Allah, we are in good state 'How do you find your family? He would say: In good state. [SAHIH MUSLIM]
In the incident of "Ifk" when Some people started spreading rumors about Aisha RAA The Prophet PBUH stood on his Mimbar to address the people and defend her in a Long Hadith:
"…So Allah's Apostle got up (and addressed) the people an asked for somebody who would take revenge on 'Abdullah bin Ubai bin Salul then. Allah's Apostle, while on the pulpit, said, "O Muslims! Who will help me against a man who has hurt me by slandering my family(AhlulBayt)? By Allah, I know nothing except good about my family(AhluLbayt), and people have blamed a man of whom I know nothing except good, and he never used to visit my family except with me," [SAHIH AL BUKHARI]
Then Allah revealed these verses to clear her name:
Surah An Nur Ayat 23 "Verily, those who accuse chaste women, who never even think of anything touching their chastity and are good believers, are cursed in this life and in the Hereafter, and for them will be a great torment."
A Third Sahih hadith:
Ibrahim reported: I said to Aswad if he had asked the Mother of the Believers (in which utensils) he (the Holy Prophet) disapproved the preparation of Nabidh. He (Aswad) said: Yes. I said: Mother of the Believers, inform me about the utensils in which) Allah's Apostle forbade to prepare Nabidh. She (Hadrat 'A'isha) said: He forbade us, the members of his family [Ahlal Bayt], to prepare Nabidh in gourd, or varnished jar. I said to him: Do you remember green pitcher, and pitcher? He said: I narrated to you what I have heard; should I narrate to you which I did not hear? [SAHIH AL BUKHARI]
Point 3- The Prophet PBUH later included Ali RAA and his Family out of love for them since they also count as ahluLbayt (Salman al Farisi is an ahluLBayt as well) You all know the Famous Narration by Aisha RAA So I'll narrate the Other Sahih narrations by Other Narrators.
In the Sahih hadith: Narrator: Umar bin Umm Salamah.
When the Verse "Allah intends only to remove from you the impurity [of sin], O people of the [Prophet's] household, and to purify you with [extensive] purification." was revealed in the house of Umm Salamah, The Prophet PBUH Then called on Fatima, Hassan, Hussein and then placed a Kisa'a over Them And Ali was behind his back so he placed it on him as well Then He made Dua "Allah these are my AhlulBayt so remove impurity from them and purify them", umm Salamah said: Arn't I with them O Prophet of allah? He said: You're good as you are. [Tirmithy]
And this Sahih Hadith: Umm Salmah said: In my House it was revealed "Allah intends only to remove from you the impurity [of sin], O people of the [Prophet's] household, and to purify you with [extensive] purification." So the Prophet PBUH sent after Fatima, Ali, Hassan, Hussein and said: "They are my ahluLBayt" and in another narration by Al Qadi and al Summy: "They are My Ahel" She then said: O prophet of Allah! Arn't I from ahlulbayt? He said: inshallah yes. [Sunan al kubrah]
Ibn Abbas RAA: "Allah intends only to remove from you the impurity [of sin], O people of the [Prophet's] household," He said: It was revealed especially about the wives of the prophet PBUH. [Siyar A'alam al nubalaa]
Narrator: Wathilah bin Al Asqa'a al Laythi AbU Fasilah. "Allah intends only to remove from you the impurity [of sin], O people of the [Prophet's] household, and to purify you with [extensive] purification." Allah these are My Ahlulbayt. Wathilah said from the direction of the house: And Me O prophet of Allah, Am I from your Ahel? The Prophet PBUH said: and you are from my Ahel. Wathilah said: This is What I (Always) Wished (to be). [Sahih al mawarid]
Hasseen Asked Zaid to tell him a story about the prophet PBUH So Zaid said: The Prophet PBUH stood once in a water called Khum between Mecca and Madinah so he made Hamd to Allah and thanked him and he started giving advice and wisdom, he said: O people I am but a HUMAN and soon Allah's Messenger (Angel of death) will come to me and I will answer him, And I have left to you two Wieghty things The first one being the Book of Allah In It Is Light and Guidance So Hold On To The Book of Allah and never let go of it. So he encouraged them to hold on to the book of Allah then he said: And My AhlulBayt, By ALlah I remind you of My AhlulBayt, By ALlah I remind you of My AhlulBayt, By Allah I remind you of my ahlul Bayt. Hasseen asked Zaid: O Zaid arn't his wives from his Ahlulbayt? Zaid Said: Yes They're from his ahluLBayt But He meant His Ahlubayt in which the Sadaqah was made Haram on them. He said: and they are? He said: Alu Ali, Alu Aqeel, Alu Ja'afar, Alu Abbas. He said: Sadaqah is Haram for all of those? He said: Yes. [SAHIH MUSLIM]
So Allah in the Verse of Tatheer told the wives of the prophet PBUH that he wants to purify them and Then The prophet PBUH called on Ali's Family to make a Dua so that Allah will purify them as well, Otherwise it doesn't make sense that he would ask Allah to purify them if he knows that he already did so, Since Umm Salamah is already purified according to the verse He told her "You're good as you are".
We are commanded by Allah to believe and follow the Holy Quran; not make the Quran follow our false beliefs!
Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 17 Surah Bani Israel verse 81:And declare, "The Truth has come and falsehood has vanished. And falsehood is a thing that must by its nature, vanish!"
Your Comments: Ans. 3: our imaan & akhida should be hole quran & sahih ahadeeth not only which we like or in our favour, if it is in others favour we will hide or not accept as doing by our ulema??? it's not imaan brother in the light of Quran & Sahih Hadith, it's denying only.....
Brother Hasan, what brother KHShaikh said Ulema Haq never hide anything that is true no doubt about it, and regarding Aqida of ours alhumdulillah inline with the Quran & Authentic Sunnah.
Allah Alone Knows Best and He is the Only Source of Strength.
Your Brother in Islam,
From: Hasan Yaqoob <abuhasan3k@gmail.com>
w'salam wr wb. Brother Asan Deen, as you mentioned below Allah swt. ordered: 1.Whoever obeys the Messenger, in fact obeys Allah, 2. "If you sincerely love Allah, follow me., 3.There is indeed the best example for you to follow, in the Messenger of Allah, all these proofs are accepted but in the light of above ayat's we have to follow his rasool saw. totally..what ever he give us we have to accept, right brother? Ans.1: Three Authentic Ahadeth you mentioned for example if they use to say 100 times "Kitabullahi wa Sunnat" atleast they must say 10 times "Kitabullahi wa Itrat e Ahle Bayti" as per above mentioned ayat's, right??????? you can't show any aalim who mentioned...even if he mentioned he will commit on that...i've heared already...but their hearts are not accepting with love....allahu aalam... Ans.2: about ahlul bayt please don't do adawat of shia this much & deny sahaih (authentic) ahadeeth about ahlul bayt...can you proof me the names of Ahlul Bayt from sahih ahadeeth? as i've some, please see & check with sahih ulema (non mutasib).... your comments: They have, without any authority from Allah and His Messenger (saws) chosen only a few of the Prophet's family as the actual 'ahle-bayt' and discarded the rest! They claim that by 'ahle-bayt' the Messenger of Allah (saws) actually meant only his cousin Imam Ali (r.a.), his daughter Hadrat Fatima (r.a.), their two sons from among their children, Hadrat Hassan (r.a.) and Hadrat Hussain (r.a.), and then specific sons from the many children among their descendants! They have invented and created their own list of the chosen 'ahle-bayt', and some amongst them stopped at five, while others at seven, while others at eleven, and others at twelve, and others at seventeen, and some at twenty-one! see brother below proofs from our sahih books: a) Ibn Jarir narrated that Safiyyah bint Shaybah said: "`A'ishah, may Allah be pleased with her, said, `The Prophet went out one morning wearing a striped cloak of black camel's hair. Al-Hasan, may Allah be pleased with him, came and he wrapped him in the cloak with him. Then Al-Husayn, may Allah be pleased with him, came and he wrapped him in the cloak with him. Then Fatimah, may Allah be pleased with her, came and he wrapped her in the cloak with him. Then `Ali, may Allah be pleased with him, came and he wrapped him in the cloak with him, then he said: إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنكُـمُ الرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيــر
Allah wishes only to remove Ar-Rijs from you, O members of the family, and to purify you with a thorough purification.) This was recorded by Muslim. b) وأخرج الترمذي وصححه وابن جرير وابن المنذر والحاكم وصححه وابن مردويه والبيهقي في سننه من طرق عن أم سلمة رضي الله عنها قالت:
في بيتي نزلت { إنما يريد الله ليذهب عنكم الرجس أهل البيت } وفي البيت فاطمة، وعلي، والحسن، والحسين. فجللهم رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم بكساء كان عليه، ثم قال " هؤلاء أهل بيتي فاذهب عنهم الرجس، وطهرهم تطهيراً "
Translation: It is narrated by Imam Tirimdhi and he declared it "SAHIH".. Imam Ibn Jarir, Ibn Mundhir and Imam Hakim who also declared it "SAHIH" plus Imam Ibn Murduya and Baihaqi in his Sunnan narrate from the route of Umm Salama (ra) who said:
This ayah was revealed in my house when in the house were present Fatima, Ali, Hassan and Hussain (Ridhwan Allaho Ajmain). The Prophet (Peace be upon him) covered them in his own cloak and then said: (O Allah) these are my Ahlul Bayt, remove all abomination from them and make them pure and spotless [Tafsir Dur ul Munthur, Volume No. 5, Page No. 563] c) وأخرج ابن جرير وابن أبي حاتم والطبراني عن أبي سعيد الخدري رضي الله عنه قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم " نزلت هذه الآية في خمسة: فيّ، وفي علي، وفاطمة، وحسن، وحسين، { إنما يريد الله ليذهب عنكم الرجس أهل البيت ويطهركم تطهيراً } ".
Translation: Imam Ibn Jarir, Ibn Abi Hatim and Imam Tabarani narrate from Hadrat Abu Sa'id al Khudri (ra) who narrates from the Prophet (Peace be upon him) who said: This ayah is revealed about 5 personalities (1) Myself (2) Ali (3) Fatima (4) Hassan and (5) Hussain (Allah's Peace and blessings be upon them all) These all are Sahih from Sah Sitta (Six correct Books) of Ahle Sunnat wal Jamaat. please don't neglect or deny without ilm...its danger for our imaan... Your Comments: On your second point of Khalifa, Sunni, Shia, Qadiyanis etc. take it differently. Our Eman o Aqida is same as brother Abdul Khaliq explained you in a detail. But Shia Aqida is Hadhrat Ali (Radhi Allaho unho) as Wasi Nabi and Qadiyanis has their own Imam and Khalifa etc. Ans. 3: our imaan & akhida should be hole quran & sahih ahadeeth not only which we like or in our favour, if it is in others favour we will hide or not accept as doing by our ulema??? it's not imaan brother in the light of Quran & Sahih Hadith, it's denying only. am not denying about any other group hide some things or some group most of the things etc. allahu aalam but dear our ulema must consider or if they have more powerful proof they must mention instead of thier ijtehaad.... i know you all have many questions & doubts about me, please my request don't take me wrong, it's my research & if i find proper anwers from you in our previous discussions i'll accept...inshallah bi iznillah... may allah give me hidayat & to each & every muslim..ameen ya rabb... wa salamu aliakom wr wb...
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Asan Deen <khshaikh1999@gmail.com> wrote: AsSalamo Alaikum wra Dear brother Hassan Yaqub Sb., Thanks for your comments. I am still saying that there is no matter of hiding certain ahadith in their usual Khutba Jumma, but on the certain topics. Because our main sources of Eman o Aqida is Quran o Sunnah, that's why, it is always proclaimed in each and every one Jumma Khutba, as per Sunnat-e-Nabwi ((Sallal Allaho Elaehe Wa Aalae Wa Sallam)). I do explain you in a little detail here on the two Ahadith about Quran o Sunnah and Quran and Ahle-e-Bait, that's why our Ulema o Scholars address almost Quran o Sunnah in their usual Jumma Khutbas and rarely on Ahle-Bait, but when the subject arises, they talk as per topic. Both the hadiths that I have quoted in the previous mail are indeed authentic and found in the authentic narrations of the Messenger of Allah (saws). The hadith about the Quran and Sunnah are numerous and well known, and sufficiently supported by the very Words of Allah in the Glorious Quran: Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 4 Surah Nisa verse 79-80:We have sent you (O Mohamed) as a Messenger to mankind, and Allah's witness suffices for this. Whoever obeys the Messenger, in fact obeys Allah, and whoever turns away from him, he will be accountable for his deeds. Anyhow, we have not sent you (O Mohamed) to be a guardian over them. Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 3 Surah Ale Imran verse 31-32:O Prophet, tell the people, "If you sincerely love Allah, follow me. Then Allah will love you and forgive you your sins, for He is All Forgiving, All Merciful." Also say to them, "Obey Allah and His Messenger." And if, in spite of this, they do not accept your invitation, warn them that Allah does not love those, who refuse to obey Him and His Messenger. Holy Quran Chapter 33 Surah Ahzab verse 21:There is indeed the best example for you to follow, in the Messenger of Allah, for every such person looks forward to Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah much. but the exact words of the hadiths about the Quran and the noble 'ahle-bayt' are as follows: Sahih Muslim Hadith 5920 Narrated by Zayd ibn Arqam One day Allah's Messenger (saws) stood up to deliver a sermon at a watering-place known as Khumm, situated between Mecca and Medina. He praised Allah, extolled Him, delivered the sermon, exhorted (us) and said: "Now to our purpose, O people: I am a human being. Perhaps I am about to receive a messenger (the angel of death) from my Lord, and I, in response to Allah's call, (shall bid good-bye to you). But I am leaving among you two weighty things: the one being the Book of Allah in which there is right guidance and light, so hold fast to the Book of Allah and adhere to it." He exhorted (us) (to hold fast) to the Book of Allah, and then said: "The second are the members of my household; I remind you (of your duties) to the members of my family." There is absolutely no dispute amongst the sects of Islam regarding the superiority and importance of following the commands and guidance of the Book of Allah, and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah (saws). In the hadith regarding the 'ahle-bayt' the Messenger of Allah (saws) is simply exhorting the believers and reminding them of their duties to the members of his noble household… his wives, his daughter and her descendants, his uncle and their descendants, his cousins, etc. But some people have taken to the meaning of the above narration to the extreme, and conveniently removed the wives of the Prophet from the members of the 'ahle-bayt', and conveniently chosen a few members from the 'ahle-bayt' and made them infallible and sinless… and invented sects in their noble names, long after their deaths! They have, without any authority from Allah and His Messenger (saws) chosen only a few of the Prophet's family as the actual 'ahle-bayt' and discarded the rest! They claim that by 'ahle-bayt' the Messenger of Allah (saws) actually meant only his cousin Imam Ali (r.a.), his daughter Hadrat Fatima (r.a.), their two sons from among their children, Hadrat Hassan (r.a.) and Hadrat Hussain (r.a.), and then specific sons from the many children among their descendants! They have invented and created their own list of the chosen 'ahle-bayt', and some amongst them stopped at five, while others at seven, while others at eleven, and others at twelve, and others at seventeen, and some at twenty-one! The Truth is that the Messenger of Allah (saws) was simply reminding the believers about the duties to the members of his family and 'ahle-bayt', including his noble and chaste wives, his only surviving daughter Hadrat Fatima and her righteous children, his uncle Hadrat Abbas and his children, and his cousins and their children like Hadrat Ali, Hadrat Aqeel, the children of Hadrat Jaafar-al Tayyar. It is the duty of every believer to love and respect all the members of the noble 'ahle-bayt' and their righteous offsprings. Whatever written of Truth and benefit is only due to Allah's Assistance and Guidance, and whatever of error is of me. Allah Alone Knows Best and He is the Only Source of Strength. On your second point of Khalifa, Sunni, Shia, Qadiyanis etc. take it differently. Our Eman o Aqida is same as brother Abdul Khaliq explained you in a detail. But Shia Aqida is Hadhrat Ali (Radhi Allaho unho) as Wasi Nabi and Qadiyanis has their own Imam and Khalifa etc. Regards KhShaikh On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Hasan Yaqoob <abuhasan3k@gmail.com> wrote: W'salam wr wb. Dear Brother Asan, i mean still many things is written in our books but every jamaat/group/ulama they hide to save themself or defate to other group (did we are in race or doing dawah for allah swt..?)... below mentioned hadith about House Hold...show me any aalim who speakes in thier Khutba e Juma or any dars...except some ulama who are very rare... where ever we speak we shouldn't consider all the group is incorrect..as i always said (some salafy ulema they mentioned but mostly not, why)????? one more question about khilafat? as our brothers they given proofs as beloved prophet saw..didn't appoint any khalifa in his life....its also hided by ur ulama...i've proofs. alhamdolillah bi iznillah... am not against salafies nor any muslim group but i want every group to be moderate eachother & do dawah as rasool saw. did & other ambiya a.s.s...did... if you say they started to critisize our sahab etc etc...so why you loose the sunnat of rasool to call people with polite & softness, which is v.imp. sunnah dear...inshallah if we follow that bi iznillah people will listen/consider you.... jazak allahu khairan wa salam alaikom wr wb.
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Asan Deen <khshaikh1999@gmail.com> wrote: AsSalamo Alaikum wra Dear brother Hassan Yaqub Sb., What are talking about the hiding of the words in Sahih Ahadith by Salafi Ulema etc. Please look into these three Different Ahadith, The first Hadith of Sahih Muslim, Shia almost talk that this address of Nabi (Sallal Allaho Elaehe Wa Aalae Wa Sallam) was at the Last Sermon of Hajj, but this is a deception, rather it was relating to Ghadeer Khum. Sahih Muslim Hadith 5920 Narrated by Zayd ibn Arqam One day Allah's Messenger (saws) stood up to deliver a sermon at a watering-place known as Khumm, situated between Mecca and Medina. He praised Allah, extolled Him, delivered the sermon, exhorted (us) and said: "Now to our purpose, O people: I am a human being. Perhaps I am about to receive a messenger (the angel of death) from my Lord, and I, in response to Allah's call, (shall bid good-bye to you). But I am leaving among you two weighty things: the one being the Book of Allah in which there is right guidance and light, so hold fast to the Book of Allah and adhere to it." He exhorted (us) (to hold fast) to the Book of Allah, and then said: "The second are the members of my household; I remind you (of your duties) to the members of my family." @@@@@ Found In: Imam Malik's Muwatta Chapter No: 46, The Decree
Hadith no: 3
Narrated: Malik Yahya related to me from Malik that he heard that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "I have left two matters with you. As long as you hold to them, you will not go the wrong way. They are the book of Allah and the Sunna of His Prophet." Found In: Imam Nawawi's 40 hadith Chapter No: 1, An-Nawawi's 40 Hadith
Hadith no: 41
Narrated: Abu Muhammad Abdullah bin Amr bin Al-Aas who said : The messenger of Allah, said: "None of you [truely] believes until his inclination is accordance with what I have brought." a fine and true hadith which we have transmitted from the book of Hujjah with a sound chain of authorities. ( and Allah (Subhana Wa Ta'alla knows best) Regards KhShaikh | Dear Brother, what i understand from Arwa question is that weather prophet appointed Khalifa or not?????? if not then no need to discuss this point again and again. or if yes then need explaination.
--- On Tue, 10/4/11, Hasan Yaqoob <abuhasan3k@gmail.com> wrote:
salam aliakom wr wb. dear bros. as u asked me what i want to show....bros. 1st fullfill my question as i asked below ( i need shahadat from you guys)...from some months we all are arguiging about KHILAFAT & other issues...as bros. a.khaleq/mohd. rizwan commit there is no hadith mentioned or appoint the KHALIFA by the our beloved prophet saw....& i find some proofs against that... will you guys accept if it is from bukhari/muslim etc...as i mentioned in my previous mail (below you can see also).... as well as i want to show you that the salafy ulema also hide/change the ahadeeth....as i given one example as they hide these words"Kitabullahi wa Itrat e Ahle Bayti". (may b you will comment here they don't hide its already in the books & if you ask they will tell you etc...it's illogical...if they don't hide then they must say in their dars & khutba e juma etc...instead of " Kitabullahi wa Sunnati" i don't know any hadith mentioned these words may be am not denying but very sad i didn't hear any salafy shuyookh with those words above... tobe honest am not aginst any muslim group but i hate that they blames/critisize each other & hide/change words to show they are 100% correct in this earth.. i love every muslim and all human being as rasool saw. loved & he saw try to change their hearts/minds from wrong path to correct....may allah give me & all muslims taufeeq to follow Allah swt. & his Rasool saw. truly with iqlaas, ameen ya rabb.. Imp. Note: am not trying to make any new firqa in islam, every one can stay with their jamaat but must be polite & moderate...please don't be muqallid.. As allah swt. mentioned Sure Tawba Ayat No. 31: اتَّخَذُوا أَحْبَارَهُمْ وَرُهْبَانَهُمْ أَرْبَابًا مِّن دُونِ اللَّهِ وَالْمَسِيحَ ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ وَمَا أُمِرُوا إِلَّا لِيَعْبُدُوا إِلَٰهًا وَاحِدًا ۖ لَّا إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ۚ سُبْحَانَهُ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ "They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him)." & Sure Nisaa Ayat No. 59: يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا أَطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا الرَّسُولَ وَأُولِي الْأَمْرِ مِنكُمْ ۖ فَإِن تَنَازَعْتُمْ فِي شَيْءٍ فَرُدُّوهُ إِلَى اللَّهِ وَالرَّسُولِ إِن كُنتُمْ تُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ خَيْرٌ وَأَحْسَنُ تَأْوِيلًا O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if ye do believe in Allah and the Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination. Imp. Question, how could you findout if someone hide some thing??????????????????? they shown you one side but other side is hidden brother... but you can find if you listen to your against one with open heart....may allah save us & to all human being from jahannam (fire) even for a mini second to enter that...ameen ya rabb... please correct me if am wrong...inshallah we can discuss in any matter.... wa salam aliakom wr wb.
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Arwa Taha <arwa.taha@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear Mr. Yaqoob
Please come to the point........................what you want to show...................... Regards
Talha Ahmed
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Subject: Hidden Truth of KHILAFAT & Lies of Salfies &Ulama e Salaf
Assalamu alaikom wr wb. to all of our readers please don't ignore these mails or spam because the truth is in front of you but if you ignore so you will be responsible & you will answer to Allah swt.
as i commit before many times about the groups they hide & change the words which is against their jamaat/aqaid or their awliya, so its not only specific group but all, including salafies, allahu aalam... here now the group of salaf also playing the same game & calling themself sahih on this earth or trying to follow Quran & Authentic Ahadeeth (Sunnah) etc..which is not totally correct....if you beleive on Allah swt./Books/Prophets/Angels & Life Hereafter, so do justice for the sake of Allah swt. Otherwise it seems you support/Love to Lier's/Cheeters than you will be one of them as per Sahih Hadith of our beloved Prophet saw. as Brother A.Khaleq/Mohd. Rizwan & Others are trying to support/protect salafy jamaat/ulema, see in below & previous mails: my quesntion here why the salafy ulema didn't make cd's/lectures/books against their own ulema/jamat when they do mistakes????????? also mentioned below such ahadeeth can't speak in public...inshallah i'll reply soon about that as well.... now my question if i give you a proof from SAHIH BUKHARI, SAHIH MUSLIM, MUSNAD AHMAD, AL HAKIM, ADDAHABI as well as Shk. Naser Uddin ALBANI with the word of KHILAFA/SUCCESSOR APPOINTED to one of the great sahabi will you accept? as all salafies challange if any jamaat/group will give sahih refrence then sun will rised later before that we will accept the truth???????? will you all salafies accept or will say its zaeef (week) as per falan aalim/shk. etc...because you have many ways to run.... even salafies not yet realize they also muqallid, except some....its my experiance ur ulema will never give true answers spl. in conflict issues but in their favour.... wa salam alaiko wr wb.
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From: syed abdul khaleq <khaleq_hyd@yahoo.co.uk>
To: syed aleemuddin <abukhansa2007@gmail.com>
Cc: Hasan Bin Yaqoob Abedi <nicehasan3k@yahoo.co.in>; Mohdrizwan Abdulaziz <moula_87@yahoo.com>; Zakariya Shareef <zakariyahyder@gmail.com>; Sent: Wednesday, 21 September 2011 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: !! Khilafat-1
Dear Brother, i dont think they hide these hadith. What i know that Ulema generally doesn't speak these ahadith because of they think that such ahadith not required to be discuss in public unless and until any debate/munazira, the truth of the matter is that its not effecting the 'deen' brought by Prophet Mohamed (saws) because the Glorious Book of Guidance, The Al-Quran is amongst us today verbatim and exact as it was revealed by the All-Mighty Lord, and the Sunnah of the Messenger (saws) established. The difference we unfortunately see in the observance of the deen today is because some people, even though they call themselves muslims, refuse to follow the guidance and commands of the Quran and the Sunnah in its context and entirety. Thus unless and until all the muslims, regardless of their sects and creeds, return to the absolute obedience of the Quran and the Sunnah, these differences will continue to exist until Allah Subhanah decides amongst them on the Day of Resurrection. but your point is valid here that such ahadith and topic should be discuss and educated to muslim ummah so that they can differentiate between haq and batil.
Now come to your point which was raised in your mail, you might be aware but some of our brother might not aware, let me explain, it is indeed recorded and documented in history that misunderstanding took place between them due to one incident, that Hadrat Fatimah (r.a.) did ask Hadrat Abu Bakr (r.a.) to give her her inheritance from the Prophet's (saws) property after he (saws) died. Hadrat Abu Bakr (r.a.) informed her of the saying of the Prophet (saws):'The Prophets property is not inherited (by their legal heirs), but whatever they (the Prophets) leave as inheritance is for Sadaqah', which in all probability was not known to Hadrat Fatimah (r.a.) and thus she remained unhappy with the decision of Hadrat Abu Bakr (r.a.). It is also recorded in history that when Hadrat Abu Bakr (r.a.) explained the matter to Hadrat Ali (r.a.) who was the husband of Hadrat Fatimah (r.a.), he accepted and was content with the decision of Abu Bakr (r.a.). Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 5.60 Narrated by Aisha Fatima sent somebody to Abu Bakr asking him to give her her inheritance from the Prophet (saws) from what Allah had given to His Messenger (saws) through Fai (i.e. booty gained without fighting). She asked for the Sadaqa (i.e. wealth assigned for charitable purposes) of the Prophet (saws) at Medina , and Fadak, and what remained of the Khumus (i.e. one-fifth) of the Khaibar booty. Abu Bakr said, "Allah's Messenger (saws) said, 'We (Prophets), our property is not inherited, and whatever we leave is Sadaqa, but Muhammad's family can eat from this property, i.e. Allah's property, but they have no right to take more than the food they need.' By Allah! I will not bring any change in dealing with the Sadaqa of the Prophet (and will keep them) as they used to be observed in his (i.e. the Prophet's) life-time, and I will dispose with it as Allah's Messenger (saws) used to do." Then 'Ali said, "I testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah, and that Muhammad is His Messenger (saws)," and added, "O Abu Bakr! We acknowledge your superiority." Then he (i.e. 'Ali) mentioned their own relationship to Allah's Messenger (saws) and their right. Abu Bakr then spoke saying, "By Allah in Whose Hands my life is. I love to do good to the relatives of Allah's Messenger (saws) rather than to my own relatives." Abu Bakr added: 'Look at Muhammad (saws) through his family (i.e. if you are no good to his family you are not good to him!)." Beloved brother, that this incident and misunderstanding took place between Hadrat Fatimah (r.a.) and Hadrat Abu Bakr (r.a.) is indeed factual….but some people who have their own devious agendas to promote exaggerate and dramatize the misunderstanding in their efforts to prove that Hadrat Abu Bakr (r.a.) Allah forbid, was unjust to the family of Prophet Mohamed (saws) and usurped their rights….whereas nothing could be further from the Truth. These brothers who have an agenda cite these and other selective happenings in their ultimate effort to imply or prove that the Khilaafah or leadership of the believers after the death of the Prophet (saws), which according to them was given to Hadrat Ali (r.a.), was usurped unjustly by Hadrat Abu Bakr (r.a.), Hadrat Umar (r.a.) and Hadrat Uthmaan (r.a.)….for that basically forms the main thought behind their breaking from the Muslim Ummah into a sect of their own called the 'Shiate-Ali' or the 'Group of Ali'!!! The truth is brother, neither Hadrat Ali (r.a.) contested the leadership, nor did he ever claim that he was the chosen and appointed successor of the Prophet (saws), nor did he himself hold any animosity towards the companions of the Prophet (saws) of the likes and stature of Hadrat Abu Bakr (r.a.), Hadrat Umar (r.a.) or Hadrat Uthmaan (r.a.). Many years after the death of these noble companions, some people who had personal political aspirations dug and selectively added up these records of minor misunderstandings….and started claiming that leadership of the believers belonged only to the direct descendants of Prophet Mohamed (saws)! All they succeeded in doing was breaking up the United Ummah of Islam into sects and sub-sects which exist to this day! What is and should be of paramount importance to the Ummah of Prophet Mohamed (saws) is what is documented in the One and Only Glorious Quran and the authentic and established Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah (saws)….for that is the essence of Islam and its unconditional obedience is absolutely obligatory for every believer who sincerely believes in Allah and the Last Day. It is the obedience of the Quran and the Sunnah for which every person will be questioned on the Day of Judgment, and it is only its obedience or disobedience which will determine one's results in the Hereafter. Whatever happened or transpired after the death of the Messenger of Allah (saws) is the 'History of the Muslims', and if Allah forbid, any untoward incident did take place, only those responsible will be questioned and taken to task by the One Who is All-Knowing, All-Wise Alone. The rest of the believers will not even be asked or questioned regarding the acts of those before them! Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 2 Surah Baqarah verse 134: 134 That was a people that have passed away. They shall reap the fruit of what they did and ye of what ye do! Of their deeds there is no question in your case! To sit down 1400+ later today and try to determine who was right and who was wrong amongst the 'History of the Muslims', to take the side of one and curse the others, and to use these incidents and misunderstandings to break up the United Ummah into sects and sub-sects on those assumptions, and start and invent a new 'deen' with its specific rites and rituals is definitely not the guidance of the Quran and the Sunnah….especially when both parties agree that adherence to the Quran and the Sunnah alone is what is required for salvation, and both parties agree that the Quran was completely revealed and the Sunnah was completely established in the lifetime of the Prophet Mohamed (saws)! Allah says in Chapter 30 Surah Rum aayat 31-32 This (Islam) is the right and true faith, but most people do not know. (Be steadfast on this) turning wholly and sincerely towards Allah Alone, and fear Him, and establish the Salat, and do not be like the mushriks, who have set up their separate creeds and divided themselves into sects, each sect rejoicing in what it has. Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 23 Surah Mu'minoon verse 52-55: And you all belong to one and the same Ummah, and I(Allah) am your Lord; so fear Me Alone! Yet afterwards the people divided themselves into different sects, and each sect rejoicing in what it has. Well, leave them deeply involved in their heedlessness up to an appointed time. What? Do they think that, by continuing to provide them with wealth and children, We are solicitous for their welfare? Nay, they do not understand the reality of the matter! Allah says in Chapter 45 Surah Al-Jathiyah aayat 17 Then they differed amongst themselves after the knowledge (of Islam) had come to them, only because they wanted to wrong one another. Your Lord will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection concerning the matters in which they have been differing.
If one trusts, obeys, and follows the guidance and commands of Allah and His Messenger (saws), one can be assured of never ever being misled; but if one believes, obeys and follows any other guidance, other than that of Allah and His Messenger (saws), one can be assured of being led astray.
Note: Brother length of this mail will not allow me to discuss regarding mutah here, we will discuss later inshallah.
May Allah bestow on the muslims the patience, wisdom and courage to leave aside our petty differences and unite this broken Ummah of Islam into one united Ummah. Ameen.
Your Brother in Islam, -- Jazak Allah Khair Fidduniya wal Aakhirah. Ameen ya Rabb. Ur Islamic Brother S. HASAN
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